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Old 06-26-2006, 06:45 PM   #1
Ilaria Rosselli Del Turco Ilaria Rosselli Del Turco is offline
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Disappointment under pressure




How do you deal with a portrait that just would not work?

In the recent months I have been working on subjects that I found more challenging, with more complex backgrounds and more ambitious sizes then my previous works.

The results though have been mixed: in the last four works I consider one very good, the second un utter nightmare which I pulled off in the last three days after extensive repainting and weeks of anxiety.

The third one is the most disappointing and the one that has sparked this post, while the last one is on my easel right now and quite promising.

Portrait number three was the one I MOST cared about, a friend of my son, a charming and very bright boy who has sat patiently twice for me without moving a muscle.
My frustration in not achieving a good standard in this work is terrible: I finally decided to give the portrait rather then keep repainting the face.

I told my clients that they should keep it and let it 'season' a little, and that I really needed to have it out of my studio for a while, but it is my intention to take it back and see if I can finally put it right in a few weeks, maybe with a last live sitting. At the same time I don't want to reveal my friend how much I am disppointed.

Was this the right atttitude or should I give up on it and put it behind me? Does any of you have some hidden misfits, perhaps happily hanging on a unknowingly satisfied client's wall ?
Would it have been better instead to honestly start again ?

The culprit :
http://www.ilardt.com/ilardt/childre...s/oliver-1.jpg
( bad pic )

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Old 06-26-2006, 07:42 PM   #2
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I know exactly what the problem is.
It is from life. Not only that, but it is someone you know!

I am completely sure if you got two or three snapshots from your point of view and worked for 1/2 hour from that reference, you would NAIL it!

The stamina and muscle control of a little dynamo is almost too much to expect to be controlled and that dampening of life energy is what is happening.

Not to get too metaphysical on ya, but I have been tipping my model in the open studio on occasion, especially on the BAD poses and taking a reference shot or two. Literally I often find that that conversion to 2-d from 3-d will let me INSTANTLY see the needed correction.

I hope you do not feel that it is in any way LESS professional to use all the tools at your command. This is a nice little aspirin of a solution to the BIG headache this piece has caused you.

Happy client is the goal.

Harder than having both of you dissatisfied is that picture that you KNOW is just bad, that the client adores. Hard to stop fixing and hard to let go of when you KNOW you have to hold back for the sake of the fee.

Not making enough right now to even pretend such professional vanities, I have happier clients with some of my most mediocre work. The really good stuff is paid for and that is all the thanks I need or get!
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Old 06-26-2006, 07:44 PM   #3
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Hello there,

Well, I've started some portraits more than once in the past. Fortunately it is not so common nowadays. I checked that link, that's going to be a very nice work, but if you feel that's not what what you wanted it to be, start it over again and than compare the paintings, you will certainly paint the second one much faster.

Charcoal studies will help you too.

Hope it helps.
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Old 06-26-2006, 08:03 PM   #4
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If you are disappointed with it, I think you should get it back, regardless of what you ultimately do with it. Otherwise a) it will haunt you forever; b) you won't want to put it in your portfolio; and c) it won't work for you in marketing your portraits.

You could certainly combine a life/photo sitting if you would be so inclined, and take your time with it. I am sure you will get a fresh perspective when you get it back, one way or the other.
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Old 06-26-2006, 08:21 PM   #5
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Ilaria,

try to do something radical about the worst thing in the painting, so maybe it will loosen up.

As I see it you have some nice vertical patterns in the wallpaper, but I think that the chair is too heavy and is sort of overpowering the delicate and light nuances with it's also vertical lines.

I would try to get some diagonal lines into the back of him, a pillow or something, to fill some of the high back space.

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Old 06-26-2006, 09:15 PM   #6
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Ilaria,

If it were me, I'd restart it. Sometimes one comes along that we just arent happy with and need that fresh start. You WILL get it though -just be patient and tenacious.

Good luck!
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Old 06-26-2006, 11:59 PM   #7
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Ilaria,

That is a real problem unless you decide to put your best out there no matter what. It has taken me ...no IS taking me some real head bashing to decide that, (and mantra repeating that ..."I will never paint from a poor reference again. I will never....." which Chris Saper commanded me to repeat and repeat and...). However, if you send out poor work, it's out there with your name on it. You can never go wrong by doing the highest and best thing.

Take the painting back. Take some good photos, color notes from life, as Deborah suggested and repaint the whole thing. The longer I paint the more I see that no matter how good an artist is, poor paintings can be painted. Bill Whitaker referred to his "burn pile", which I thought was his little joke. Maybe he really does burn paintings that he isn't pleased with. Only he knows. It was hard to think that he didn't come out of the womb painting like he does now. Did we? Is it possible that we all are in a learning mode? What a lot of humility this business requires but without it, no progress can be made. (No, Christopher Isherwood didn't say that...) Your work is beautiful. Keep that standard going.
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Old 06-27-2006, 12:36 AM   #8
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Originally Posted by Ilaria Rosselli Del Turco
Was this the right atttitude or should I give up on it and put it behind me?
Ilaria,
I guess the main angle i'd like to share on is that of attitudes - not about facing clients but more about the mindset when working with portraits.
Debra pointed something really important here, that you're painting someone you know; a person whom you care for. I had the same experience with working on a portrait of a close friend recently, and more often than once, i was trapped in that naggy emotion i wasn't doing good enough.

I realised later that the additional pressure working on our loved one's portraits, took away much of our logical side of being an artist. This stress, crippled our ability to judge objectively and do our work as if they were our ordinary clients.

I decided i can't work with this "emotional lump" in my head, and i walked away from it for a couple of days. I came back to it, renewed my oath to do it objectively, and finally was able to complete the portrait within the day i got back at it.

So the lesson of the day is: do your portrait like every other portrait done, friend or family. Hope this experience of mine will help you out.
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Old 06-27-2006, 05:20 AM   #9
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Many thanks to all of you, I especially found, in these posts, the WORDS to explain to my friend that I am not happy with my work and I want to do something about it.
The forum is a harsh and sympathetic jury, which is the best combination to receive good advice.
It is now time for me to lift that phone...
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Old 06-27-2006, 08:06 AM   #10
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Hi Ilaria

Good luck and good for you for determining to get the portrait back and re-work it.

I so agree its so important to avoid having a nagging knowledge you have put a "bad" work out there, for your own peace of mind and for the fact that (if it really is) a bad piece then it sits there being bad publicity for you for a very long time!

Actually I wanted to say that a similar thing happened to me with a 4 year old sitter a couple of years ago, he sat (hating to sit still of course) for 3 hours everyweek for 6 weeks, me causing upheaval in the families beautiful home - and at the end of it all I knew I hadn't got a decent painting - all his life had gone, his mannerism and posture had become leaden and stilted and I hated it.

I was so frustrated that it hadn't worked and so torn about how to deal with this "failure" especially as I had taken so much of the families time and patience and they were calling for the piece to be finished already!!

But in the end I came clean (after avoiding the phone a couple of times!!) admitted I wasnt happy and that I knew I could give them the piece as it was but that it wouldn't be the best I could do for them.

I asked for the little boy to come to my studio this time and I tried a completely different pose and lighting set up, I went with my instinct about how I wanted to represent him, this time choosing a more intense focus, darker more dramatic, his pose was much more natural and typical of him and his clothing more personal. That resulting painting went very quickly indeed and the client and I agreed was far, far better as a result.

I hope it works out even better for you this time, I think there was a lot to admire about the first piece you posted here but I might say he is getting somewhat lost in amongst that big white shirt and embossed wall paper.

Very best wishes...
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