Bargue Plate 5

Mischa Milosevic · 10-19-2006, 07:43 PM

For now, get the marks accurate the best you know how.

As for how to further transfer measurements. At this stage it is not done at a distance. Most of the work you will do seated. When you start refining you will look from a distance. This said, you will measure with a string wrapped around forefinger of left hand and forefinger of right hand using the thumbs as a slide and the nail on the thumbs as the measuring edge. Here is a photo to help explain. Think of the tape as a finger nail on the left and finger nail on the right hand.

Mischa Milosevic · 11-27-2006, 12:18 PM

I am wondering if anyone else, besides Paul, has started the Bargue study and how far along has one got?

Some would think that having the Bargue book and reeding the instructions without actually using the plates will be sufficient to implement the principles and understand the procedure within a self induced project.

When I first arrived at the Angel Academy and was introduced to the same plates, I thought to self that the four plate requirement in pencil would be a breeze to do and that I would have them out of the way within a week or two. I was wrong. Three took 12 days each and the fourth 20 days. Approximate number of hours worked on each was 4 hrs a day.

The first one the foot the simplest to do was the toughest for me. Each one after presented a different challenge but what a delight when completed. After finishing the four plates I realized I was barely at the start of understanding what came next and that was working from the cast in charcoal. After finishing the first cast, the face of Michelangelo's David, it was but then that my minds eye was illuminated. The next challenges difficult to do but pure pleasure. In my arsenal I had the understanding and this understanding made the clime up easy.

Remember the three little pigs and the wolf, I'm sure we all do. Taking a short cut in ones studies will result in?

I have learn't and am still a student, that art that will stand the test of time is not just a line in pencil or charcoal but a line precisely executed, it is not value shadow or light rather it is the same precisely executed, it is not color or hue warm and cool rather precisely executed. If these and other elements that are a sum of a Valasques, Bouguereau, Cassatt, Sargent etc are not understood properly it will not stand the test.

A Bargue executed in pencil first will give one the tools needed in order to properly understand charcoal. Another thing, it will most assuredly speed up the learning process. If you do not believe me ask anyone that has followed this procedure. If you still do not believe me then ask the many professionals of today about the struggles that they have in reaching their individual goal of excellence. Then again it all boils down to what one's goal is.

I hope that my words wont be misunderstood. I am not promoting a particular school but rather am sharing with the members of this forum my understanding of the matter, from personal experience.

A sincere, All the best, whatever path one takes.

Ngaire Winwood · 12-04-2006, 09:14 PM

Dear Mischa and Paul

I have tried a couple of the Bargue plates a couple of times but have found my concentration goes all too quickly. I can only manage about 20 minute sessions before I get bored or distracted.

I lost my job two weeks ago and am re-arranging my art space to start doing the plates again. I have attached Plate 1-14 and 60 that I have completed but am going to go back and start from Plate 1-4 where I left off from last time.

I have already noticed a big change in 'seeing' and expect to 'see' more when I 'do' more Bargue. I am also fighting with my inability to concentrate which causes me to lose faith in finishing all of the exercises. I know if I can complete more I will learn more. I just get so bored with the slowness of it all.

Mischa Milosevic · 02-22-2007, 05:05 AM

Ngaire, I apologize for not responding sooner and blaming this or that is not what I wish to do. I am at fault.

Your drawing of plate 1,14 is looking good. There are some concerns and one is that you mite be rushing the learning process. Don't fret this is a common mistake that most make and that is rushing to get to the finish. Each drawing is set up to teach a student curtain steps that are essential for eye and value development. If the steps are followed correctly the reward will be there.

In your plate 1,14 the line drawing could have been taken to a more accurate level before the introduction of value. Certainly you have a good drawing but you have not reaped the full benefit. For example some measurements look to be off which you can easily check. Then the line variation needs some adjusting checking for areas where the line is straight in relation to where there is a dip or a slight curve. Is curved line convex or concave. Then the shadow value must be a flat solid dark dark at a appropriate value. The halftoan is to be just that and in correct relation to the shadow and light making sure that it is accurate when compared to the original.

Sure this is tedious and boring in which case you need to find ways to motivate self. I remember when I was doing my first charcoal study. I got as far as the half ton stage and felt I could not budge another inch. It was my first experience with charcoal at this level of precision and I felt PAIN. Still, I got up of my chair and went to the paper with the idea to place but five dots on the paper. I ended up putting twenty. My biggest problem was not the work rather the understanding of how to make that charcoal do what I wanted it. When I got through that stage I was in place of bliss.

So, one must ask one self. What do I want? Do I want to just finish this exercise and get it over with or do I wish to get the benefit's that it offers. Each must decide for them self.

I wish you a good choice and acuracy

"It is better to be accurate than fast" Wild Bill Hickok

Ngaire Winwood · 03-04-2007, 07:22 PM

Mischa, thank you very much for your reply. I really do appreciate it. Yes I am sprung, I did rush it out of boredom.

I do find it difficult to stick with it, patience is a virtue, I realise, but I suppose my attention span got the better of me or was it self-discipline that was lacking.

I have restarted the plates with a different perspective and am on Plate 1-4 ears and have taken the position to slow down my evaluations to see better.

Self discipine is a big issue for me, any hints?

Mischa Milosevic · 03-05-2007, 06:07 PM

Ngaire, I believe that self discipline can be a tough one. If you nudge away at it and continue to push it out of your way you can beet it. After a time, you will be surprised for self discipline will not be a problem any more.

Grethe Angen · 03-13-2007, 09:23 PM

ok,so will confess I am also one of those who have kept the Bargue book in my bookshelf for quite some time. But thank you so much Mischa for this thread and your great help.And the good advices above.
, I have worked on this o plate 1,6 , and hopefully work them up to perfection. tsee what I can learn from it .
Up to now I learned :
1. never to trust the eye and always measure twice.
2.a millimeter off here and another there, makes everything out of place
3. curved lines are hard to copy and get in the right place.
4.not as easy as it might look to do these drawings

first layer of shading: