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Old 07-11-2002, 03:24 PM   #11
Lon Haverly Lon Haverly is offline
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I think Mr. Martinez meant to direct his comment to Rebecca, the artist, mistaking Rochelle for the artist.

Tom, your critique is in line with mine. We are of the old school, where line technique was more the focus. Perhaps the old school is for the old students. Critiques are only as good as the value placed on them.

In some way, the modernists were right, who complained if you copy a photo, you just have a copy of a photo, not art. In my view, it is the line that makes the art. Otherwise, your work is just like everybody else's who copies for photorealism.
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Old 07-11-2002, 09:32 PM   #12
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OK, I owe you girls an apology. I'm sorry I got the names confused. Please forgive me, no malice intended. It's a bitch to get old.

Anyway, I'm not trying to change Rebecca's drawing. Just trying to illustrate my comments.
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Old 07-11-2002, 10:09 PM   #13
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Thanks to all of you for the suggestions and artistic conversation about my work. I was just reading a post by Peggy Baumgaertner under the Paints, Mediums, Techniques and Composition section. The original thread was "Pencil drawing technique question" by Matt Terhune. She discusses her sauce and charcoal works. I believe that discussion is relevent here because it describes my aim with my colored pencil techniques. I am aiming to paint with the pencils instead of just drawing with them. Perhaps I should start using the word "painting" instead of "drawing" to describe this work? I have noticed that Ann Kullberg, whose work appears on this site, uses the same materials as I do and she call her works paintings. Of course I do not claim to be near as proficient with the medium as she, but I am working on it.

Thanks again for all of the great conversation. I will post the final product when it is finished. Until then it is great to hear the input from professionals like yourselves and I would greatly appreciate further comments!

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Old 07-12-2002, 01:54 PM   #14
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Just to throw in an extra two cents, I wasn't advocating a straight copy of the photo. It is clear, at least to me, that Rebecca's drawing is NOT an exact copy but a careful, delicate interperation of what she was seeing. A strong, quick man's hand has a different style than a loving (and talented) mother's touch.

Rebecca, I'm really looking forward to seeing the work.
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Old 07-12-2002, 02:38 PM   #15
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The two top images are not coming through at all for me.

The detail is delightful, and I think the Photoshop version shows a good direction to take softly into the background. I would make those "edge decisions" first, and work the background to suit.

The light source is evidently from the left side of paper. The backgound could support that. You may decide to dramatize the shadows on your subject a tad more also.

I would NOT add color! This has a life of its own. Perhaps you could try the same subject with pastels for a different look?
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Old 07-13-2002, 12:14 AM   #16
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Tom,

I do greatly appreciate your input into my work. I am open to all opinions and critiques. Please continue to offer your two cents or twenty thousand cents whenever you want! There is definitely an ear that is listening!

Lon,

Old school, new school or any school, I will gladly take your advice any day. "Experience is never cast casually aside without consequence". That quote came from Rosa Mae Kinchen, my great greandmother! Thank you!

Rochelle and Jeanine,

Thank you for the compliments and the suggestions. I will definitely take them under advisement as I forge ahead with this piece. I will post the final (or close to it) product soon.

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