Bringing "Life" and "Photos" Together

[Marvin Mattelson]

Thanks Micheal,

I appreciate the kind words. Although I do work from reference photos, in combination with life sittings, I teach my students to paint by working from life, clearly for the reasons you state. One needs the skills of accurate drawing and of being able to evaluate and interpret what lies before one's eyes, regardless of the source material.

In my portrait workshops I take a photo of the model from each student's position and then give each student a print (see below). This helps them to check that the model is in the right pose, but more importantly, it allows them to see the differences between real life and the photo, so that when they must work from photos, they understand what they need to alter so they can make their paintings more lifelike.

One of the things my clients often remark about is how much more alive my paintings look, compared to the source material. This is because I'm never literally copying my reference photos. Rather, I'm converting them to the way I know things look when observed directly from life.

Conversely, I believe that most students (and more than a few mature artists) are simply copying what lies before them, even when in a life class. I just don't think the perception of form in space is being considered at all, because what I see are tons of academic paintings and drawings that look totally lifeless. So I don't think learning to paint from life is necessarily "The Answer!" I also don't think that making the work more painterly is the solution either. There are more than a fair share of flat, pseudo-Sargent paintings out there, too.

I think the answer is in learning how to evaluate and understand your subject matter. To me that's where it all starts. This is how I train my students.

[Michael Georges]

Hello Marvin, and thanks for your reply.

I agree that just copying is not enough - though for most of us, it is where we must start to understand how to replicate the form in truth. I think that as skill progresses in representing what we see, then consideration can be given into "how" we choose to translate what we are seeing - considering as you say, the form in space and composition.

I like the idea of having a photograph and the live model there to compare. What a great tool to teach the shortcomings of photographs and how to interpret them.

[Enzie Shahmiri]

As one of Marvin's " repeat offenders" as he likes to call students who take his workshops repeatedly, I have to add the following observation.

Having attended many a workshop by other artists as well, I have noticed that painting a successful portrait requires skills beyond that of being able to work from life or copy well. These are but steps towards learning to paint, but do not make you a master painter.

The artist has to learn what distinguishes stellar portraits from the mediocre ones through educating himself by studying the works of Master's. You can be in a city of beautiful sights, but if you do not have the proper map to guide you, it will take forever to successfully reach your goal. With you map of knowledge and your reference then you get to tackle the next objective, which is as Micheal pointed out :

The quality and consistency of that visual information is what is important. Where it came from is really a matter of personal preference.

Those serious about portraiture explore every avenue that is given to them and to assume that they belong to camp A or camp B because of the way their portfolio develops is a misplaced assumption.

Every one knows that painting requires the juggling of an insane amount of information and brings with it new challenges, challenges which can not be worked through even if there is a studio set up. You simply have to paint and paint and learn from each mistake. To remain focused and alert to every little nuance that can make or break a painting is a constant struggle. Not every painting will be a knockout, regardless how hard the artist tries, because there are too many variables that come into play.

What seems to be lost in all these discussions is the effort put forth by the individuals who try to master and excel in all these tasks.

It takes a lot of time regardless how you work, to overcome your shortcomings. If we want to see improvement in the overall quality of paintings produced, than as forum members we need to allow our fellow peers to grow in their skills rather than offer deafening silence of our disapproval or shoot them down with attacks.

[Dan Landrie]

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[Michael Georges]

Quite right Enzie.

The banner on the top of the forum says "A forum for professional portrait painters and serious students"

This must of needs mean that we will see those of all ranges of skill from student to master here - at least that I think should be our hope as it would mean a vibrant forum.

I think we are also a competitive lot and sometimes do not recognize or give credit where someone has come in at one level, and made significant strides and put in a lot of effort to improve. You are certainly such a person and I applaud you and your hard work.

[Enzie Shahmiri]

Thank you Michael!

Marvin how I yearn to take moreworkshops with you. I have to win the lottery first and maybe then I can ask you the billion new questions I have ! ~ LOL

[Marvin Mattelson]

Originally Posted by Enzie Shahmiri

Marvin how I yearn to take moreworkshops with you. I have to win the lottery first and maybe then I can ask you the billion new questions I have ! ~ LOL

Enzie, how I long to have you take another one, too!! Only a billion? That's a lot less than last time!! Seriously, I have a student from NY, Nicole, who just moved to the LA area and she is very intent on getting me out there to do a workshop. When she gets settled in I'll hook you up with her and maybe we can make it happen.

[QUOTE=Chris Saper]

I've been using a similar method for an number of years, although one of the differences in the way I teach the use of photographs is that I make sure they are printed at a size that is sight-sized, (same size as the painted head) a concept I learned about from Sharon Knettel. I don