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06-10-2004, 11:35 PM
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Interesting demo. I can't see anything about the 800 ISO images that would be unpaintable. Time to go try this out with my own camera.
Also, thanks for choosing snapdragons for this demonstration. There is a large floral arrangement in the portrait I'm working on now and it has lots of snapdragons in soft, even lighting, much like you show here. I can use these photos as extra reference! (Of course, I'll need you to sign here, here, and here, to give me permission to violate your copyright. But then again, I'm hoping you'll never find out.)
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06-11-2004, 01:02 PM
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Michele,
Take them, use them, abuse them. Here's another one if you please. I'd even send you a high res. if you want.
Jeremiah,
I've not heard of such a thing. No surprise there though.
Chris,
I was a little surprised at how well the 800 ISO held up. When you think that these are pretty radical closeups. I still think I'll draw the line at 400 ISO, but it's nice to know that I have the 800 in the bag in certain extreme circumstances.
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06-12-2004, 11:01 AM
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I operate under the principle that anything worth doing is worth over doing. Kind of like the Rocky movies. I had to take this experiment to the extreme.
My camera has a range of ISO settings from 200 to 1600. I re-shot the above using the following ISO settings. The shutter speed was correspondingly selected by the camera in portrait mode, all at aperture 4.5:
ISO 200 shutter speed 100
ISO 400 shutter speed 200
ISO 1250 shutter speed 800
ISO 1600 shutter speed 1000
The first is the full image shot at 1600 ISO. The next three are closeups 400, 1250, and 1600 ISO.
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06-12-2004, 11:06 AM
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The first two images are crops from ISO 400 then 1600.
The next two are cropped further (from the bottom right corner of the previous two) from the ISO 400 then 1600.
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06-12-2004, 11:34 AM
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This seems remarkable to me. It suggests that from film to digital, in this regard, it's not apples and apples. Someone just said "Da."
I think it's something like this -- if you think of film as in pixels, it only has it's finite best. So this fixed pixel best, was put in combination with a fixed sensitivity (ISO), to create it's best fixed quality. Sombody stop me.
Digitalia, on the other hand, at it's high end settings surpasses the fixed pixel best of film, and maybe by a long shot. If this is true, then you have to re-shuffle your matrix of the limitations of high end ISO settings.
Or, and what is more likely, I am completely full of crap and yet, still walk around without a keeper.
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06-12-2004, 12:17 PM
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There is an amazingly small amount of difference between the closeups of 400 ISO and 1600 ISO shots. Who'd have thought!
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06-12-2004, 01:16 PM
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The other thing that tells me the apple cart has changed is that with film, the lowest color print film ISO was 100, then 200, 400 and 800. With slide film I think it went to 25 or 50 ISO. With my camera, Nikon has opted to have 200 as the bottom end.
I'm sure that they have thought about this a lot, and maybe even run some tests. The only thing I can figure is that they must have concluded that 200 digital, is so much better than 100 film, that there's no reason to take it down any further.
I'm tempted to print a couple of these examples out in 8x10 format. Although you would think that if it was going to fall apart it would be apparent here.
Actually, my first reason for doing this exercise was to demonstrate how different ISO settings affect shutter speed. Notice the above settings and how the shutter speed increased when the ISO increased. Higher shutter speeds can be your friend, lower shutter speeds can make you vulnerable to camera shake and subject movement, thus causing blurry images.
I've exhausted myself on this matter, I should nap.
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