Portrait Artist Forum    

Go Back   Portrait Artist Forum > Paints, Mediums, Brushes & Grounds
FAQ Community Calendar Today's Posts Search


Reply
 
Topic Tools Search this Topic Display Modes
Old 06-29-2001, 09:30 AM   #1
Valerie Warner Valerie Warner is offline
Juried Member
 
Valerie Warner's Avatar
 
Joined: Jun 2001
Location: Placerville, CA
Posts: 85
question Varnish




I want to layer my work as Norman Rockwell did by varnishing over the under paintings. I tryed Damar varnish and it dissolved with the next layer's application. I read in Norman's book that he used french retouch which dried quick and did not lift when painted over. Anyone know if damar retouch is different than french retouch varnish? If that question is outdated/obsolete what should I use for this purpose of sealing an underpainting?
  Reply With Quote
Old 06-29-2001, 04:55 PM   #2
Todd Shaffer Todd Shaffer is offline
Juried Member
PT portraits, FT artist 14yr
 
Todd Shaffer's Avatar
 
Joined: Jun 2001
Location: Westminster, MD
Posts: 6
idea

Try using Liquin by Winsor Newton. It is an alkyd, will dry quick, and will not be removed by mediums or paint. I don't do much glazing, but I do use Liquin to rewet a dry paint area so that I can regain the wet-into-wet look. I also use it to eliminate the blonding effect of dry paint. I think I can safely assume Rockwell would have been thrilled to have Liquin. Windsor & Newton does not recommend Liquin being used as a final varnish, but I know a few painters who use it for that.
__________________
Todd Shaffer
www.ToddShaffer.com

Last edited by Cynthia Daniel; 06-29-2001 at 06:41 PM.
  Reply With Quote
Old 07-01-2001, 03:55 PM   #3
Paul DeLorenzo Paul DeLorenzo is offline
Juried Member
FT Pro 30yrs ASCR
 
Joined: Jul 2001
Location: New Jersey
Posts: 10
Varnish

Dear Valerie,

The "French" varnish Rockwell used was "Virbert Retouch Varnish". In the mid 60's the company which had bought the rights to Vibert's name changed the formula from dammar to a synthetic. A great product was destroyed. It is very nasty stuff to work over. I remember one of my old teachers was very upset about it.

Something comparable can be made by dissolving dammar tears in turpentine or mineral spirits depending on which you use for a thinner and as a component in your medium. One or the other throughout. One can order 100g of dammar from Kremer. Suspend it in a cheese cloth bag held by a string through a hole in the lid of a jar containing 200ml solvent. It should dissolve in up to five days. Make sure the jar is absolutely clean. Remove the bag and decant the varnish into a new jar. It can be used as such as a component in a medium or thinned 3:4 with solvent for retouch. It is up to you to select the best solvent. I use W/N turpentine with mastic rather than dammar.

One can simply buy dammar or mastic 1:2 in turpentine from Kremer and thin 3 pt with 4 pt turpentine. Dammar will dissolve in turpentine or mineral spirits, mastic only in turpentine in which it should be allowed to sit for three weeks. Stick with one or the other on the same canvas.

A 1:3 solution can be used as a final varnish a year or two later.
__________________
Paul DeLorenzo

Last edited by Cynthia Daniel; 08-18-2001 at 02:26 AM.
  Reply With Quote
Old 07-16-2001, 09:55 AM   #4
Jeff Morrow
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
question Varnish

I need to modify a background on a portrait that I have spayed a thin coat of retouch varnish onto. Is it safe to paint right onto this coat of dried retouch varnish or do I need to remove it (!) somehow?

Last edited by Cynthia Daniel; 11-12-2001 at 11:54 PM.
  Reply With Quote
Old 07-16-2001, 11:22 AM   #5
Todd Shaffer Todd Shaffer is offline
Juried Member
PT portraits, FT artist 14yr
 
Todd Shaffer's Avatar
 
Joined: Jun 2001
Location: Westminster, MD
Posts: 6
A thin coat of retouch varnish isn't going to destabilize your work. I will often tone my white acrylic primed canvas using straight damar as a medium, then paint onto that. I have had no problems, and I have known many other painters who do the same.
__________________
Todd Shaffer
www.ToddShaffer.com
  Reply With Quote
Old 08-04-2001, 04:37 PM   #6
Jim Riley Jim Riley is offline
SOG Member
FT Pro 35 yrs
 
Jim Riley's Avatar
 
Joined: Jul 2001
Location: Lancaster, PA
Posts: 305
Send a message via ICQ to Jim Riley
Prep for final varnish

Occasionally clients do not return paintings for a final varnish within the 6 month recommendation and enough time elapses to warrant cleaning of the canvas as a first step. Usually dust is all that needs to be removed but currently I am faced with cleaning a 4 year old painting that has hung in a restaurant lounge where smoking is permitted and I am not sure what I should use that is aggressive enough to clean the painting but not risk damage. Thanks in advance for any advice.
__________________
Jim Riley
Lancaster Pa. Portrait Artist
  Reply With Quote
Old 08-18-2001, 12:23 AM   #7
Karin Wells Karin Wells is offline
FT Pro, Mem SOG,'08 Cert Excellence PSA, '02 Schroeder Portrait Award Copley Soc, '99 1st Place PSA, '98 Sp Recognition Washington Soc Portrait Artists, '97 1st Prize ASOPA, '97 Best Prtfolio ASOPA
 
Karin Wells's Avatar
 
Joined: Jun 2001
Location: Peterborough, NH
Posts: 1,114
To clean a dirty painting

If the paint is not cracked or flaky, try a few drops of mild detergent (Dawn) in a pint of warm water. I have used this solution to successfully clean some old paintings...be gentle and use a soft cloth.

After the surface is clean and dry you can recoat with varnish. I like Windsor-Newton's Conserv Art Gloss Varnish. Sometimes I just use Liquin.
__________________
Karin Wells

www.KarinWells.com

www.KarinWells.BlogSpot.com

Last edited by Cynthia Daniel; 11-12-2001 at 09:02 PM.
  Reply With Quote
Old 08-18-2001, 10:56 AM   #8
Paul DeLorenzo Paul DeLorenzo is offline
Juried Member
FT Pro 30yrs ASCR
 
Joined: Jul 2001
Location: New Jersey
Posts: 10
Varnish

Dear Karin,

Oil based mediums, particularly those with a hard resin and those loaded with driers like Liquin, are unsuitable as a final varnish. They will darken and cannot be removed without damage to the painting.

Only soft resins in solvents for picture varnish.
__________________
Paul DeLorenzo

Last edited by Cynthia Daniel; 08-18-2001 at 11:40 AM.
  Reply With Quote
Old 08-18-2001, 07:01 PM   #9
Karin Wells Karin Wells is offline
FT Pro, Mem SOG,'08 Cert Excellence PSA, '02 Schroeder Portrait Award Copley Soc, '99 1st Place PSA, '98 Sp Recognition Washington Soc Portrait Artists, '97 1st Prize ASOPA, '97 Best Prtfolio ASOPA
 
Karin Wells's Avatar
 
Joined: Jun 2001
Location: Peterborough, NH
Posts: 1,114
Liquin vs varnish

So, if I use Liquin as a medium, most especially as a glaze medium, is it going to darken my painting inside the layers? The bottle says "non-yellowing..."
__________________
Karin Wells

www.KarinWells.com

www.KarinWells.BlogSpot.com

Last edited by Cynthia Daniel; 11-12-2001 at 08:57 PM.
  Reply With Quote
Old 08-20-2001, 10:28 AM   #10
Paul DeLorenzo Paul DeLorenzo is offline
Juried Member
FT Pro 30yrs ASCR
 
Joined: Jul 2001
Location: New Jersey
Posts: 10
Varnish

Dear Karin,

Do you always believe what you read on labels?

Liquin is just an oil cooked with lots of driers and an artificial resin. It is not a miracle, and it lacks the handling qualities of traditional materials.

If you want to try the real stuff contact Jim Groves. I posted his address on this forum.

Paul
__________________
Paul DeLorenzo

Last edited by Cynthia Daniel; 11-12-2001 at 08:58 PM.
  Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing this Topic: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is Off
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

 

Make a Donation



Support the Forum by making a donation or ordering on Amazon through our search or book links..







All times are GMT -4. The time now is 06:45 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.6
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.