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Janet Kimantas 02-02-2006 05:52 PM

Submitting for a critique
 
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This is my last kick at this particular can for the time being. I know that I have to make the arms a little heftier and the hands have some issues with size, also. I'd be interested to hear if anyone has any further thoughts on this. Thanks a lot, Janet

Mischa Milosevic 02-02-2006 06:44 PM

Janet hi, Your sitter is lovely. The proportions are looking good. Now, I would strongly suggest that you consider stepping back to the value and dead color stage. You are jumping ahead to the small forms to soon.

First establish your big darks and your big lights. Define these planes at their correct values than work in the half tones to make the big form turn. After that work the smaller planes in the lights paying particular attention to the values within the lights. Next tackle the forms in the shadows. I suggest that you consider keeping the warmth of the color a tad on the cool side. It will not be to difficult to warm it up later. Try not to think about eyes and noses rather tons and shapes

Wish you all the best.

Alexandra Tyng 02-02-2006 10:43 PM

Hi Janet,

You're not going to like this. . .but I think the best thing to do is put this one aside and start over! Yeah, I know, I know, you want to throttle me. But what Mischa is saying is true. If you squint at the photo and painting you will see. You need to pay VERY CLOSE attention to the large areas of light and shadow, and the exact value differences between them. Keep in mind that you can't break the light areas up with dark values. Everything within the light stays within a narrow value range. Same with the darks--you can't break them up with brushtrokes of too light a value. See in the photo how smooth the planes of her skin are? You are working too hard chopping it all up!

Oh, what I would give to get you in my studio for a day or two, Janet! You've got it in you, you know you do :exclamati :exclamati

P.S. I only suggest starting over because a) you can keep your present painting intact, b) you won't be distracted by the forms underneath, and c) you will avoid paint buildup. I did not mean to imply your painting is hopeless. On the contrary, you are so close, but the problem is all over.

Janet Kimantas 02-03-2006 07:49 AM

Alex, this is the kind of critique I want to hear. And Mischa, thanks for yours, too. And you be darn careful with those threats to teach me something useful, Alex. Although, if I turned up on your doorstep, you wouldn't recognize me because I haven't gotten around to posting an avatar! I will start again, and no hurt feelings at all. I just don't seem to paint people very instinctively...

Thanks again, Janet

Alexandra Tyng 02-03-2006 08:11 AM

Oh, but Janet, I do know what you look like. Remember the Grumpy Old Lady?

Speaking of your self-portrait, that's how I know you have it in you.

Janet Kimantas 02-03-2006 08:54 AM

I really should say that that was a terribly unflattering self-portrait!

Richard Monro 02-03-2006 09:50 AM

Janet,
I have to agree with the above comments and add the following:
1) This is a beautiful young woman with soft and smooth skin. The transitions in values must be subtle to maintain that soft smooth look.
2) Large value transitions are aging. Consider the models upper left cheek/upper lip crease, the transition should be in a narrower value range. The same holds true for the models right hand.
3) Careful use of color temperature shifts can accomplish your modeling goals without a value change. I notice you are using more temperature changes in your portraits. Good! You are making nice progress.

While I believe the portrait is salvageable, I agree with Alexandra that a redo is recommended. A future side by side comparison would be very instructive.

Keep up the good work. An accomplished painter is beginning to emerge.

Ilaria Rosselli Del Turco 02-03-2006 01:26 PM

Hi Janet, please can you post your palette?

I agree with anyone else . If you decide to do it all over again, I suggest you make some palette changes, to avoid going immediately in the same direction of this painting.
If you "know" already wich colours to use, you might end up with a very similar result.
From this photo I would definetely keep on my palette some Alizarine and Viridian. I think you should really try and mantain the high key, I mean not to darken the shadows too much, but working on the temperature shifts to model the head. If you find some pinks, purples and greens in the lights, you will then be able to state your shadows with warm colours, like Yellow ochre+ alizarine mixtures.
Also your picture will look more mature if you don't paint blue eyes blue with a black dot in, try greyish blue with a warm dark irregular brushstroke in the middle, blurred irises edges and understated catchlight.

How do you transfer the image to the canvas? It looks you are doing well, as all of the features are correctly positioned, but then I think you are scared of loosing it!
If you tend to fill in you won't be able to blur your edges. My other suggestion thus is not to draw everything in detail, rather having a few landmarks for the eyes, nose, mouth, oval etc., but not too detailed. Personally I keep some tracing paper with the drawing that I can superimpose to the dry painting for checking on mistakes.
Good luck, if you repaint it, why not posting a WIP for us ?
Ilaria :sunnysmil

Janet Kimantas 02-03-2006 06:04 PM

Thank you so much, everybody, for your time. To be honest, I have been wondering if I even have "it" for portraits. The touch, the knack, the feeling. It seems like everything I learn about painting portraits makes my paintings of other things better! It's almost like I can't properly see what I'm trying to do - no, I'm not explaining myself very well. Anyway, the encouragement has been very timely and I suppose I won't throw in the towel just yet. BUT it's really close...

Ilaria, very good call on the palette question. I've been using the "earth colour" option so far, and been questioning it the last couple months. In my hands it is tending to have a heavy, deadening effect and I can't get the transparency I think I want. So, excellent, excellent timing on that advice.

Richard, special thank you for your quiet encouragement during this journey. Although I rather suspect that you only love me for my model...

Is it okay to keep basically doing the same painting over and over again like I have been? I don't have the prestige to allow for an endless flow of willing models (everyone is so busy these days). I have taken some nice shots of my daughter, but she so obviously doesn't enjoy it and the impatience shows (she is surely mini-me).

Anyway, thanks again to all. Janet

Linda Brandon 02-03-2006 06:10 PM

Hi Janet, I think we are piling up on you. ;)

Try this: in Photoshop, make a greyscale of your photo, then as you paint, shoot a greyscale of your painting. You'll be able to see values of colors much better as they relate to the grays of a value scale. I think that confusing color with value is the main problem with this painting, along with hard edges.

Also, try to take photos where the lights are not blown out so much as you have here. It will make finding form a lot easier. I personally wouldn't try to work from this photo. Be picky, picky, picky.

You have really nice painterly qualities, don't stop posting.


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