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Adriano Maggi 03-19-2006 03:38 PM

Realism or Impressionism nowadays?
 
I've found many technical discussions on the forum and I 'm wondering if the impressionist technique is or isn't the most used nowadays.
Thanks
Adriano

Allan Rahbek 03-19-2006 04:31 PM

Hi Adriano,
I see that this is your first post and I

Linda Brandon 03-19-2006 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Allan Rahbek
Actually I find that painting your impression of things is the highest aim for a realist painter.

Allan, you've said this very well!

And welcome to the Forum, Adriano! :)

Adriano Maggi 03-19-2006 06:08 PM

Realism or Impressionism nowadays?
 
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Originally Posted by Adriano Maggi
I've found many technical discussions on the forum and I 'm wondering if the impressionist technique is or isn't the most used nowadays.
Thanks
Adriano

Hi Allan
I saw Velasquez's jewel in a painting of his, that was exactly painted just the some way Sargent does.You can't recognise it unless you stay in a distance. If a realistic painter should paint it from a photo,wouldn't get the some result. When an eye looks at an object,it can't see the drawing as from a nearby photo, but only light and shadows transformed into colours.
Adriano ;)

Adriano Maggi 03-19-2006 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Linda Brandon
Allan, you've said this very well!

And welcome to the Forum, Adriano! :)

Thanks LInda for supporting my inesperience in the Forum
I hope to share my love for impressionism,and find people who love
shadows enlightened from color and "divisionism".(do you use this word in painting?)
Adriano ;)

Alexandra Tyng 03-19-2006 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Adriano Maggi
You can't recognise it unless you stay in a distance.

It seems to me this is exactly what impressionism (and Sargent, who was of tthe same time period and influenced by impressionism) has contributed to present-day realism. We now have this historical precedent for being "painterly," suggesting something with a few strokes that look abstract if seen from close up.

Adriano Maggi 03-19-2006 07:01 PM

You can't recognise it unless you stay in a distance.
 
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Originally Posted by Alexandra Tyng
It seems to me this is exactly what impressionism (and Sargent, who was of tthe same time period and influenced by impressionism) has contributed to present-day realism. We now have this historical precedent for being "painterly," suggesting something with a few strokes that look abstract if seen from close up.

Hi Alexandra
The way we paint,when you are immersed in a strong source of light ,(in the past there were only candels) forces the eye to see complementary colours (that photos can't register). If you put dirty colours on the canvas,how can your eye be forced to see brilliant colours?

Enzie Shahmiri 03-19-2006 09:46 PM

Adriano,

Ciao ed benvenuto ! I see you finally got approved! ;)

I don't paint in an impressionistic style, but have noticed that what people term realistic is often very loosely defined. It's definition as "faithful representations of reality" depends often to what extend the individual is able to recognize what is being depicted and by what type of depiction, weather impressionistic, painterly or super realistic the individual is moved. As Allan said:

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It is my impression that Impressionism was originally intended to be an exploration of the real light and color phenomenon = a better realism.
In my opinion the impressionistic style of placing multiple small strokes next to each other to reflect the play of light, as originally intended by the Impressionists, is no longer favored and has been replaced by what is termed painterly (like Sargent's work).

Adriano Maggi 03-20-2006 02:45 PM

impressionist photo
 
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Originally Posted by Enzie Shahmiri
Adriano,




In my opinion the impressionistic style of placing multiple small strokes next to each other to reflect the play of light, as originally intended by the Impressionists, is no longer favored and has been replaced by what is termed painterly (like Sargent's work).

Hi Enzie
I 'll send you an impressionist photo, if you should make a painting from it you should certainly make an impressionist painting. Moreover only if you paint from life you can get the complementary colours that photo can't have. Photo was taken from Camillo Madonna ,a friend of mine.
Best greetings
Adriano :)

Richard Monro 03-20-2006 03:23 PM

Adriano,
What a great photo and composition. It will make a wonderful painting in any style...impressionistic or realistic.

Enzie Shahmiri 03-20-2006 03:37 PM

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I would love to do a painting of this provided I have the permission of your friend to use the photo.

I am a bit confused about what you term impressionist. This photo makes a nice impression on me, but I understand under impressionist something more like this painting by Mary Cassat. Very loosely done handled brush strokes.

I am sure there are many ways to paint this beautiful image, but I am drawn to painting her ala Bouguereau's technique. Don't get me wrong, I admire many artistic styles and it often depends on how well the artist was able to render a particular subject, but I catch my breath at those artists who can create an image that seems so full of life that one feels as viewing another human being.

So keep me posted if I can use the image.

Claudemir Bonfim 03-20-2006 03:52 PM

Hi Adriano and Welcome.
I've just visited your website and I liked your pastels very much.
What a great photograph of your friend you've posted. Does he have a website?
Hope to see some of your work here.

Adriano Maggi 03-20-2006 04:29 PM

complementary colours
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Richard Monro
Adriano,
What a great photo and composition. It will make a wonderful painting in any style...impressionistic or realistic.


Hi Richard
Thanks
Compliments for your sense of humour, ;)
The issue was about the complementarity in painting that results from painting in "pleine aire". This way of painting enhables you toget vivid colours that don't exist i a photo even if it's taken with an impressionistic light.
My best Greetings
Adriano

Adriano Maggi 03-20-2006 04:56 PM

"depends on how well the artist was able to render a particular subject, but I catch my breath at those artists who can create an image that seems so full of life that one feels as viewing another human being. "

Dear Enzie
I dont? know Bouguereau 's technique and I don't think I would be able to learn it. Symply becouse it's unique. (for many reasons).
Even Mary Cassat's painting is full of life,and I 'm sure it'easier to learn it.
Happy to hear from you

Adriano Maggi 03-20-2006 05:13 PM

charcoal portrait
 
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Originally Posted by Claudemir Bonfim
Hi Adriano and Welcome.
I've just visited your website and I liked your pastels very much.
What a great photograph of your friend you've posted. Does he have a website?
Hope to see some of your work here.

Hi Claudemir
I'm sorry but my friend doesn't have a website,..just a CD..
Today I did a charcoal and i'm very happy to dedicate it to you.
Greetings
Adriano

Enzie Shahmiri 03-20-2006 05:23 PM

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I don't know if I would say one technique is easier than the other. Due to the use of scumbeling and glazing the whole process of artists like B. , takes longer than an "ala prima" technique.

Years ago I did a painting of Starfish, which had to be done in a impressionistic manner. I struggled all the way through, although the technique seemed to allow for more freedom, than a tightly rendered painting would. So go figure that one out!

It often depends where the interest of the artist lies. Each technique requires the knowledge of your materials and enough practice to be convincing. I am sure you will succeed in what ever you put your mind to as long as you work hard and as you said "paint from life".

Enzie Shahmiri 03-20-2006 05:30 PM

Adriano,
I just saw your charcoal, it's very nice.

Adriano Maggi 03-20-2006 06:13 PM

" I don't know if I would say one technique is easier than the other. Due to the use of scumbeling and glazing the whole process of artists like B. , takes longer than an "ala prima" technique. "
Hi Enzie
I agree with the sense of "vividness" a portrait should have ,and I think that painting "alla prima"wouldn't have the some transparency and depth as one made in differents times. By the way,impressionist works weren't done "alla prima".Sometimes they lasted ten poses.
Ciao
Adriano

Claudemir Bonfim 03-21-2006 01:59 PM

Very nice drawing, tell me, do work from life?

Adriano Maggi 03-21-2006 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Claudemir Bonfim
Very nice drawing, tell me, do work from life?

Hi Claudemir

I allways work from life if I wont to get someting artistic.
Otherwise I woud consider it just an artisan work ,
like the ones I make from photos .

Ciao
Adriano


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