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Rod Lamkey 02-09-2006 04:15 PM

Asymmetrical faces
 
As one who draws and paints what I see accurately as possible, I have sometimes wound up with portraits that seem askew due to facial features not being perfectly symmetrical.

So far everyone is pleased with the drawings and paintings I've made of them, but with one exception, which was due to asymmetry. The sitter was used to seeing herself only in the mirror, so my portrait of her doubled the effect of asymmetry compared to what she was used to seeing! Even though I had taken reference photos and proved that my work was in fact a fairly exact likeness, she still insisted that I had created and therefore should correct the problem. To make a long story short I did as she asked. The portrait still looks like her though now it lacks a certain vitality, and I'll never brag about having painted it.

Has this sort of thing happened to other portrait artists? If so, is there a diplomatic way of handling it?

Thank you!
Rod Lamkey

Steven Sweeney 02-09-2006 09:10 PM

The first muscle in my face that goes when I'm tired is somewhere around my right eye, so that the lid drops about 1/3 of the way. I'm aware that this affects my appearance about 1/3 of my day, but I'm not sure I'd want a portrait to capture it -- though, it might just be that certain je ne sais quoi dash that differentiates the work. Perhaps I shall hire a portraitist to arrive in the evening for our sessions, to determine whether this is true.

Daniel Greene told a story at a workshop about running into a portrait subject with obvious asymmetry in his facial features, and Greene struggled with whether to capture that, or to "correct" it. He chose to paint what he saw, and later met another member of the family, who exhibited the exact same features. So Greene was "vindicated," in that he realized that he'd actually caught a family trait faithfully.

The 19th Century Australian impressionist Sir Arthur Streeton made his first sale to the Art Gallery of New South Wales only after he'd made some adjustments to the painting, at the request of a trustee. Nonetheless, Streeton is revered and beloved in that country in a way unknown here.

I'd be inclined to make the changes that a commissioned-portrait client asks for, and be delighted to delight her.

And if I refused the request, I'd want to make darn sure I was right about my own perception. In the face of such an objection on such an important assignment, I'd probably run it by a trusted artist friend, to see if there might be something to the objection. At the very least, you'd get a cuppa tea with a friend. Our experience on this Forum is that an artist very often is able to profit from a fresh pair of eyes viewing the work anew.

Chris Saper 02-09-2006 10:06 PM

I just ask.

"I see that you have an eye that is sleepy; I see that you have a birthmark; I see that you have a scar..." the subject already knows if there is an anomaly. Just ask how you should convey it.

Rod Lamkey 02-10-2006 12:47 PM

Asymmetrical faces
 
Thank you Steven and Chris for your comments. From now on I will ask people who sit for portraits about things which might be of concern to them. That was the first time anyone reacted adversely and I was thrown for a loop. I say 'first time' because there will surely be more to come. Knowing that other artists have dealt with asymmetry, however they dealt with it, helps. Thanks again!
Rod

Claudemir Bonfim 02-10-2006 04:14 PM

I'd like to add my comments here too Rod,

Chris and Steven are right, you need to know what your client wants, so just ask how you can please him or her.
Use a mirror next time, it helps a lot more than the photos.

Sharon Knettell 02-21-2006 10:44 PM

The only thing that I can think of that would be relevant and symmetrical is a vase or a pot.

I remember seeing an article in a magazine many years ago when they made a celebrities face perfectly symmetrical by using one side of the face and reversing it to make a whole. It did not look like the person, even though the subject had quite a regular face.

Most primitive and archaic portrait art was symmetrical. It is only when more knowledge was gained in Western art, that it was abandoned for the sophisticated portraiture of later Greek and Roman art. That knowledge was lost during the medieval period and reborn in the Renaissance and furthered by Golden age of English and French portraiture of the 18th-19th century.

You CAN improve somewhat on nature and sotto voce some discordant flaws if the need arises.

Karin Lindhagen 02-28-2006 05:14 PM

One of the very first commissioned portraits I ever did was of an old man, quite good-looking but with a very large nose. I assumed that showing the nose as big as that would embarrass him, so I painted it smaller. As the client took a look, he told me that the painting was progressing well, but he complained that really his nose wasn't as small as I had painted it...

This taught me that it is the special personal traits that make our character and our particular looks. Of cause I want my portrait to show the client at his best, but I do not deliberately lie. If the client starts looking drowsy during a live sitting I suggest we continue another day. But I do not paint him with different features than I actually see.

We have a TV celebrity in my country that has an extremely assymetrical face. Every time I see him it fascinates me. I think his face is quite extraordinary. I do not suppose ordinary people notice, but being a portrait painter you just cannot help seeing it. If someone were to paint him reducing this assymery, the painting would loose the best of his fascinating looks!

In my experience, men are easier to paint because their whole identity does not depend on them being handsome; they generally will accept their looks as they are. Women are more complicated since we often believe that our value as humans depend on looking good...

Bianca Berends 11-08-2006 04:09 AM

I had a commission about a year ago, to make a painting of a woman, who thought herself very beautiful, which she was in a way. I painted her portrait and they were very disappointed, her husband said to me, that he thought I would paint her even more beautiful and wanted changes in more or les al her features (her portrait was very accurate. I told myself I would make one attempt, but I had the feeling it would be in vain, because he would never be satisfied. And that was indeed the case. I taught me, that I have to listen to my intuition, because in retrospect before I started the painting I had a feeling that these clients had expectations I could not meet.

Karin Lindhagen 11-08-2006 05:27 AM

I also paint portraits of people's horses and dogs, and there some clients tell me at an early stage (often in a joking voice) that they hope I will paint their pet younger or less fat or something like that.

I always explain that I cannot do that. I will of cause try to capture their animal at his best, but if I were to start making changes to what I acually see then the picture would no longer show this particular animal. So far, the clients have always accepted this explanation. Perhaps the logic of this is easier for the client to accept when the subject is an animal.

Tom Edgerton 11-08-2006 06:09 PM

Happens to everyone.

If I have a potential client that wants me to unrealistically flatter them, I tell them I'm probably not the artist for them. I reassure potential clients, however, that I'm not at all averse to showing them in a favorable light.

If a possible client is really insistent that I "improve" them or someone else, I respectfully decline the commission. It's too slippery a slope, especially when this is being requested by a party other than your subject--a colleague, spouse, parent, etc. Besides, unless you are exceptionally clairvoyant, they may not like your "improvements" either.

When beginning the sittings, I ask the subject how they want to be perceived by those viewing the portrait: "What do you want the viewer to know about you (or Uncle George or whomever) when they look at this portrait." This helps identify their hopes and desires for the project. I then, like Chris, ask them, "Is there anything about your face that you don't like or are concerned about." This identifies possible areas in which to apply some expertise or care, in the manner that Sharon describes.

If they request reasonable changes--that you can agree to without sacrificing your integrity--make them with an attitude that will leave them feeling alright about having worked with you.

Don't take the projects you don't feel right about, unless there is a heavy bill in your mailbox that can't be dodged.

Best--TE

Bianca Berends 11-09-2006 03:41 AM

I totally agree Tom. Especially because family and friends and so on are going to see the portrait and think that the resemblance isn't very good and they will blame it on the portrait artist and then you know that that thread for new commissions will be very thin.

Nancy Bea Miller 06-23-2007 05:54 PM

Asymmetry issue
 
Thanks Rod, for bringing up this interesting issue. So many fascinating replies! I have a slight astigmatism myself, which can lead me into unconscious painting asymmetry, so I have learned to check everything continuously in a mirrror as I go. This helps immensely. I even pack a small pocket mirror in my french easel for plein air!

Quite often though, people really DO have asymetrical faces...its not just the astigmatism at work. I guess you have to decide what to do on a case by case basis. I am currently painting a girl who has a "lazy eye". Her mother already made it clear to me they want that corrected in the portrait: the child will be having corrective surgery/therapy soon, and they hope to put the whole problem behind them. I have no problem with that. Would you?

Chris Saper 06-23-2007 06:33 PM

Hi Nancy,

Well, I'd probably go ahead and correct the gaze, if that's all that is creating the lazy eye. If the problem is that the lid droops, then there is an increased probability that you won't be able to foresee what the child will look like post-surgery. Will you be working with photos? Do you have the option of a three-quarter face with the lazy eye away from the viewer?

Regardless, you might want to consider that there is a possibility that you will be asked to come back in a year to "correct" the painting after the surgery. Then of course the child will be 1+ year older, and all will have changed. It would be worthwhile to discuss up front what will constitute "approval" of the portrait.

LOL, but I'd stop short of the client who says, "I'm getting a nose job, and my nose will look just like Michelle Pfeiffer's!"

Tom Edgerton 06-23-2007 08:18 PM

I agree with Chris.

My general rule of thumb is to consider a change if the condition is temporary, like the "lazy eye." I've filled in a couple of missing baby teeth lately.

A while ago, I painted pro golfer Sam Snead when he was still living, and he had very crooked teeth. I didn't change them though, as it produced a very characteristic smile and expression, and it wouldn't have been a good portrait if I had. His son later wrote me that the family thought it was the best likeness of him they'd seen.

So you have to watch the "improvements."

Nancy Bea Miller 06-24-2007 01:56 AM

Yikes, now I am nervous! ;) Yes, it is just a gaze problem, no drooping lids etc. The technical term for what the child has is, I think, Partially Accommodative Esotropia. The parents did not even mention it at first and It is just barely noticeable, but of course, since I was scrutinizing the child's face so closely I noticed it. When I (very tactfully) wondered if the child's gaze was slightly misaligned then they told me about it. And yes, I am doing the portrait in 3/4 pose with the affected eye partially in shadow. So hopefully, my subtle "corrective surgery" will not really be very noticeable. Thank you Chris and Tom for your sage words of advice! I'll keep you posted.

Cindy Procious 06-24-2007 08:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nancy Bea Miller
I have a slight astigmatism myself, which can lead me into unconscious painting asymmetry, so I have learned to check everything continuously in a mirrror as I go.

Nancy - can you explain this some more? I've never heard of this - and I have astigmatism - so now I'm worried.

Nancy Bea Miller 06-24-2007 12:17 PM

Hi Cindy, no need to be worried! There are many different kinds of astigmatism. Sometimes it just manifest as a little blurriness. The kind I have is similar to this Wikipedia description. "Astigmatism ...in some cases vertical lines and objects such as walls may appear to the patient to be leaning over like the Tower of Pisa."

In my case I tend to pull things up and to the right with my vision, as though the image was printed on a cloth and somebody gently pulled up a little on the top right hand corner. Looking at the the work of El Greco, makes me suspect he had a similar type of astigmatism! ;)

I recently discovered a great new way to correct for this problem. I take a digital photo of my work, open it in photoshop, and then I flip the piece horizontally. Augh! Flaws leap out like beacons. I don't know why, but it is even better than using a mirror. I use the mirror while working but at the end of a session, or after a few days, before I move on to another stage of the work, I do the photo-flip check. Fresh eyes, as Tom Edgerton put it!

Clayton J. Beck III 05-11-2008 03:09 PM

There are many ways to deal with asymmetry in portrait work. Much can be done with lighting and with pose. I find asymmetry in nearly every face I see. Unlike the Greeks or renaissance artists I don't find this to be "ugly". It is the normal condition of any living thing. A strong light place to one side of the face will create such an asymmetrical distribution of values and edges across the face than any asymmetry in the anatomy of the face will be overpowered. Another way to deal with this is by tilting the head at an angle or turning it away slightly. Both of these suggestions in pose we'll throw off the viewer's natural tendency to see right and left side and compare. When you really can't solve it, you can always try a profile.

Clayton


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