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Lisa Gloria 10-17-2003 04:40 PM

What if we improve?
 
What if you change your style, or just plain get better? Is it awkward meeting older clients at shows, etc? Do you turn that into a sales opportunity, or make excuses for your old work, or suggest it's just a new direction, or what? Do you keep mum and smile pleasantly, wait for them to bring it up, and then say, "why yes, I'm really quite good now, eh?"

Steven Sweeney 10-17-2003 04:57 PM

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What if you [...] just plain get better?
I keep waiting. But anyway, your prior clients and purchasers bought what they liked. If you're even better now, they're already sold. Rejoice.

There are myriad outlets, mostly unpaid, for new writers, and I have stuff out there that absolutely makes me cringe. But it was the best I could do at the time, and getting it into print was a big deal for my progress at the time, and I make no apologies. I have provided countless bird cage linings to folks who would have otherwise had to use more expensive Viva towels. Those folks now have larger and more expensive birds, and are looking to move up in accommodating them. I'm ready, with ever more remarkable manuscripts.

Michele Rushworth 10-17-2003 05:17 PM

Steven, I have some old paintings in the garage that might work for those bigger bird cages. Let me know where I should send them!

I also have some clients I still see who were among the first buyers of my work. Every time I go to their homes I want to ask them to take the paintings down.... but I just smile politely and try not to look at what I created back then.

Mary Sparrow 10-17-2003 06:54 PM

I've wondered about this myself
 
One case in particular: I did two sisters individually about 1yr apart 5 and six years ago. Well, it is almost time to do the third sister and I KNOW this one will be far better than those first two, and it will be obvious when they are hanging in the same room. I really worry about it.

Kimberly Dow 10-17-2003 08:37 PM

I'd use it as an opportunity...

"Do you see how much I have improved? You should have me paint another." Do not act ashamed at all. Make them want another now because they are collectors of yours. They NEED more recent work from the artist since they already invested in one of your earlier works. At the rate your work is improving, this is a great investment...blah...blah.

Just make sure your prices are higher now so they will look at the improvement in quality accordingly.

Mike McCarty 10-17-2003 10:59 PM

I think it is a mistake to in any way diminish what you have done to the person who owns one of your previous works. You can cringe inside, but outwardly I would never bring it up, and if someone else did I would dismiss it as being simply a different unique work of art.

People become emotionally attached to what they have and I don't think they dwell on these matters nearly as much as we do.

Lon Haverly 10-18-2003 03:03 AM

Most people who tell me that are trying to compliment me. Let's face it, everyone is your critic. Today a very old friend commented on a painting I did of her late husband several years ago, that I had improved since the portrait of him, that I didn't quite get the mouth; but I am doing them good now! It is a good thing that we get feedback like that to keep us humble. Perhaps the work we do today will get a negative critique down the road, no matter how good we think it is today. You can't please everybody, anyway.

Chuck Yokota 10-18-2003 01:53 PM

I just keep quiet and tell myself that when I am a famous artist, these "early works" will be of interest to art historians, and will have added value due to their provenance.:)

Tom Edgerton 10-18-2003 02:21 PM

I'll use that too, then, Chuck.

I want to run all over town and re-paint everything I've ever done, but my business manager and better half says that it's not allowed. She also makes the point that if someone loves something I painted and can now surpass, who am I to question it--that what makes it special to them may be lost in applying the new tecnique. And she makes the additional point that it betrays a lack of confidence and undercuts how accomplished the universe thinks I am. So I try to smile and keep my mouth shut.

My creditors don't particularly like my going back and re-working past attempts for free, either.

Also, when I think about it, I'm more afraid of the question: "What if I DON'T improve?"

Best--TE

Michele Rushworth 10-18-2003 06:52 PM

Lon, you're in good company. You wrote:

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I didn't quite get the mouth.
Remember Sargent's famous quote, that "a portrait is a painting in which there is something wrong with the mouth."

Steven Sweeney 10-18-2003 07:57 PM

The thread

Lon Haverly 10-19-2003 12:27 AM

Haa haa! Tha's funny, Michele! ;)

Lynn T. McCallum 10-19-2003 01:16 PM

Room for Improvement
 
The Point Is....

If we are not improving with everything we do every day, including our talents or crafts, then what is the use?

If our art doesn't get better with every piece that is created or nothing was learned from a painting that failed, we fall short and we fail.

If we think we have learned everything and that there is no room for improvement, it's time to look at our works and ourselves. There is always a whole lot more to learn and always tons of room for improvement, no matter who we are.

The art of our past was a stepping stone and reflects our journey to where we are now.

Look at the Masters of our past and present, do you truly believe they went back to repaint a portrait? Some early works barely represent what their mature works looked like later. Look at Rembrandt, his work only got better (sure, he painted over failed paintnigs, but he never went back and got a painting that was already in another's possesion).

Ingres only got better. They didn't go back and fix the old paintings. Thank goodness that they didn't go back and repaint older works, we can now see how they grew personally and know that it is a long path to and for better works.

Lynn T. McCallum 10-19-2003 01:23 PM

Room for Improvement
 
See there is my point again. Typing and art. Art because I can, typing because I can't.

Grammar, spelling?

There is always room for improvement every day.

So, keep painting and learn something new everyday and don't look back.

Love, live and learn.

Michael Fournier 10-20-2003 06:07 PM

We all improve with experience. Of course the ideal would be to be able to paint without the need to earn a living and not have sold any paintings until we have established our style and expertise. But even I can look at paintings of artists whose earlier work was very, very good and see that their current work surpasses it in many ways. But I still like their early work just the same.

An artist who comes to mind is William Whitaker. Now he has been kind enough to have included a few galleries on his site of his earlier work. This retrospective shows a lot of very good paintings but I feel the work he is doing today is even more masterful. Does that mean his early work is not good? No of course not, and I would be more then proud to be the owner of any of his paintings.

For clients not to expect that your work will improve over time is unrealistic. But as your work improves and your reputation grows your fees will or at least should increase. I had a few early clients that could not afford what I now charge so they treasure the painting I did for them all the more.

Now, I am not a famous portrait artist by any means and my fame is very limited even within my own community, but nonetheless, my art has improved. It is in more demand and I can get higher fees than my early clients paid. I do not feel the need to apologize for my early work. It was the best I could do at the time and they paid a fair price for it as it was.


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