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Old 12-22-2007, 12:46 PM   #1
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My first oil commission




This is my first oil commissionwell, second counting the nun but that was a couple years ago.,Sso I will be seeking your expert advice and posting my progress all along the way. My clients are hoping it will be delivered sometime in March.

Here is the photo reference. They gave me all the negatives from this 35mm roll of film so I plan to take them to a photographer who can work with bettner color, etc. My question to you is a matter of composition. Anyone have any suggestions. The finished painting will be 24 x 36 or larger???

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Old 12-22-2007, 04:30 PM   #2
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Hi Patty,
I would crop it a little closer like this.
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Old 12-22-2007, 06:42 PM   #3
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Good recommendation Allan; I would leave a little more at the bottom edge so that the reflections don't create tangents with the lower edge- be sure to leave enough room for the frame rabbet

PS Play with the horizon line so that there isn't a tangent with the heads.

Pat, this looks like FUN!
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Old 12-22-2007, 08:39 PM   #4
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You are going to have so much fun doing this!

What immediately comes to my mind is the gorgeous, light filled Sorolla paintings I saw last spring in Paris. If I were fortunate enough to have this commission, I would definitely look long and hard at his work.

I would also go BIG, at least 30x40 and you will have a wow piece!
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Old 12-22-2007, 10:32 PM   #5
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The photo is great! Be sure of having it scanned properly and to have a large print to work with.
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Old 12-23-2007, 07:05 AM   #6
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Good recommendation Allan; I would leave a little more at the bottom edge so that the reflections don't create tangents with the lower edge- be sure to leave enough room for the frame rabbet

PS Play with the horizon line so that there isn't a tangent with the heads.

Pat, this looks like FUN!
I agree with Chris, be careful and leave extra space if the frame is not a flying frame.

I will add that I think that the tallest boy at the right could be a little taller than the horizon, that would create a connection and break the horizon line.
Have fun
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Old 12-23-2007, 01:34 PM   #7
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Patty,

Congratulations on the commission! I think all the suggestions so far are great. I like the way Allan has cropped leaving more room on the left so the figures are not centered, plus allowing space for the arm sticking out.

The only thing I want to add is a word of caution about photo labs. The usual way to print photos is to enhance the color.

At my local camera shop, I start by askig them to print a 4x6" with "no processing." They scan it into the computer and "print as is." They save the image on their computer.Then I look at the print and say "too yellow," or "too washed out," and they print out another 4x6. I keep stopping by until the print is correct, then I get it burned to a CD and printed larger. It s now calibrated to their printer. This is most useful for getting CDs of my paintings, but it could also be useful for getting a good reference if you don't have your own scanner and printer. Aside from the original $$ outlay for getting the scan, the rest should hardly cost anything because prints are cheap once the image is digital.

Good luck with this.It should be so enjoyable to paint.
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Old 12-25-2007, 06:07 PM   #8
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Great advice

You are all giving me great things to think about which may not have occured to me until I was actually into the process of painting. I like the cropped version too, but feel it needs to show all of their reflections (which is such an exciting part of this challenge). I will do prelim tonal/compositional drawings to experiment with the horizon, too. The client wants me to bring in more blue in sky and water and more of the sand color (close to a pure yellow ochre). So I will be doing some color studies once I get an image as close as I can to what I want.

Alexandra I will definitely do as you suggest. I have a great camera store nearby which will help me with these negatives. I will post them when I can.

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Old 12-25-2007, 10:03 PM   #9
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Good for you!

Congrats Patty,

I like the full space, but there right side needs to be pulled in for better balance. I really like the environmental aspect and the spaciousness. I think making the figures subservient to the landscape makes for a more interesting painting. Hey, but that's just me.

I would also move the horizon up slightly, so the boy's head isn't touching. I'd also make sure the horizon was parallel to the top and bottom of the painting. Do lot's of small color and value studies so that when you begin the actual painting you'll have resolved all your problems. I know you'll do a great job.
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Old 12-27-2007, 01:18 PM   #10
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Thanks, Marvin. You will see me seeking advice very shortyly! I'm getting excited.
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